Fans constantly theorize about Doctor Strange's sacrifice, with many claiming he gives up the Time Stone because the only way the Avengers can defeat Thanos is after he collects all of the Infinity Stones and erases half of the universe. So it appearsthat Doctor Strange wanted the Snap to occur, although some fans have taken the theory even further. Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. 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Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain And maybe (and apologise for the cross fandom mention {HP}) Strange is only worthy of possessing one of the infinity stones and not mess up everything - but again, new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. So i doubt Strange can use that on such a hurry situation. Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. 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Well if other people can show my view of the film is flawed I'll agree but it seemed like hes only able to continuous time loop and return from the dead in the dark dimension because there is no time there only the power of time that he brought with him. Strange decided that he can not leave it up to chance. We assume Strange still has precog information before Tony's snap from the dialogue; Tony asks "Is this it? Thats the way he got Peter to pop out of different portals while fighting Thanos as well as Mantis dropping down on his head. @doomstoaa: Again where was it confirmed he could do the time loop specifically again outside of Dormammus dimension lol? In fact, one of these solutions ended up being effective, resulting in Thanos' death during a conflict on Titan. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dimension rulerDormammu by trapping him in a neverending time loop, dying over and over until the demon agreed to his bargain and left Earth alone. Does Thor aim for the head? @doomstoaa: I'll ask again confirmed where? Sam Stone is a 10th level pop culture guru living just outside of Washington, DC who knows an unreasonable amount about The Beatles. The Mad Titan could avoid this risk entirely, or it could spell out his final fate as part of Strange's larger plan. Its a very stringent criteria for a victory. Did he? You may have also seen/heard him on the Total Geekall podcast, unaffiliated YouTube channels, BBC Radio and CBC News. Dr. Are you willing to sacrifice others in order bring about the greater good. The stones would've just kept being a thing otherwise. How did the Illuminati of Earth-838 Beat Thanos In Doctor Str And also, it's unknown how far into the future Strange peered, as the Emergence was ready around one year after the events of Endgame, meaning he would've had to have looked pretty far into each future. While this horrifies the other Avengers, this clearly isn't a power limited to Kang. Some point out that Thanos' goal was to prevent overpopulation in the universe, and it's also possible that he knew of the Celestials and how they emerge. He was putting all his focus into stopping Kaecilius and then reversing time. The Time Stone, one of the six Infinity Stones, is perhaps the easiest and most succinct method; the wielder of the Time Stone can even move objects forwards and backwards through time. But there wasn't enough onscreen proof that the events casted by reality stone is more than hyper-realistic illusion, and DS might be able to see through it given that he is a soccerer supreme. Around the time of Infinity War, Earth was very close to having a population large enough to produce enough power for the emergence. With the supporting power from space stone, soul stone and power stone, the effects of time stone won't really help Strange to defeat Thanos. Almost all of the heros have made major self sacrifices in order to save others in the past. Much of this has to do with the introduction of the Multiverse, which first came to the big screen in Spider-Man: No Way Home before expanding to new heights in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Then we wouldn't have another potentially multi billion dollars movie. Brandon Zachary is a Senior Writer with Comic Book Resources and has written for CBR since 2018. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. However, as a Reddit fan theory from user LuckyMe111 points out, Doctor Strange did nothing to stop Star-Lord from punching Thanos and awakening him. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. During the battle on Titan at the end ofInfinity War, it's assumed that Doctor Strange did everything he could to prevent Thanos from winning in the long run. But how would he have failed? At first, it appears that Doctor Strange gives the Time Stone to Thanos in exchange for Tony's life. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Physically, absolutely not. Power wise, so long as Thanos doesnt have the Infinity Gauntlet / any Infinity Stones, yes. That attempt failed. On-screen stone feats only. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? But while some have laid the blame for all that chaos at the feet of certain heroes, things might have worked out for the best, given how dangerous things could have gone for the heroes. Perhaps, duringhis fight with Thanos in Infinity War, he could have aged Thanos into an early (late?) Tony Stark must do enough damage to Thanos to make him bleed and demonstrate to him that he can be defeated. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. In Thanos had the infinity gauntlet, he probably has a better chance of winning but doctor Strange if one of the more smart characters in the MCU, He didn't show up to the first fight anyways, don't know if he would be there for this newer hypothetical fight. While there may have been other means, the cost to the heroes (and the world as a whole) would have been too great for the Avengers to take. By venturing across the multiverse and weakening the walls separating different timelines, Strange was single-handily responsible for this event, to the horror of himself and his friends. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. They were separated and had no real plan until it was too late. Much like Thanos was likely too powerful, quick and or intelligent to let his hand be cut off, Thanos likely could have broken out of the spell. Share Improve this answer Follow edited Apr 9, 2020 at 4:42 A.R.K 103 6 Like in the MCU, the ultimate resolution came down to a plan by Doctor Strange -- albeit one that had far worse consequences. Why is Doctor Strange able to go toe-to-toe with Thanos? I see the other answers are focusing mostly on the fact that Doctor Strange used the Tim This term, of course, comes with its own strategic implications, from a popular tactic in chess. Being trapped for millennia would certainly have an impact, but as presented Thanos is a true unstoppable force. Press J to jump to the feed. So, even if the reality stone or space stone could be used in ways to counteract the time stone, Thanos himself would need adequate time for his body to actually respond to the stimulus, which he wouldn't be able to do with time stopped/slowed significantly. Ya, Ive seen one theory saying the power stone over-rules the other stones. RELATED:Avengers: Endgame Toy Offers Clear Look at Iron Man's Quantum Armor. In the end, Doctor Strange pulls off a massive win for the Avengers and humanity because he chooses the one future scenario where the Infinity Stones are not only gone, but Thanos is also out of the picture. With the heroes of the MCU seemingly less conditioned to the bizarre limits of the multiverse, they may not have been able to counter before it destroyed their universe in the process. But either way, it's still a compelling theory that's fun to believe in, as it adds even more weight to Strange's Infinity War actions. And a time loop isn't quite an immovable object. Also, The Ancient One mentions that she can't see beyond her death so there may have also been some in that 14 million which they did succeed but Strange died before seeing that possibility and so counted it as a fail. Could MCU Thanos with 4 stones beat Dr Strange with just time stone, without WIS/PIS? Add in the ability to use his shield, and the fact that he can wield Thor's hammer, and Cap is just as capable as anyone. Thanos and the Avengers' interests align in Avengers: Mech Strike #4by Jed Mackay and Carlos Magno. The group is composed of Charles Xavier, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, Captain Marvel, Captain Carter and Baron Mordo, who has replaced his world's Doctor Strange as both Sorcerer Supreme and a member of the Illuminati after his death. Ever since the release of Avengers: Infinity War last year, fans have pondered what, exactly, Doctor Strange's long term plans are after willingly surrendering the Time Stone to Thanos after the battle on Titan. Round 2: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. During the intense and heartbreaking final act of Infinity War, Doctor Strange arrives on Titan with Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.) and Spider-Man (Tom Holland). All rights reserved. But, weren't they only able to break out of it because they were prepared, and knew it was coming, able to then use dark magic before Strange cast the spell? Doctor Doom is perhaps Marvels most significant villain, so unlike the Beyonder, his future in the MCU is practically guaranteed. Dormammu was ignorant of the stones and how they worked and how to use them. If yes, how would he overcome the time loop/time freeze? Maybe the reality stone could counter it if the user can trick the timer into undo the spell/give up the stone. While on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. Looking for all the world like a vengeful Hamlet, Kang holds aloft Thanos' skull, triumphant. Doctor Strange likely saw millions of futures where the Avengers beat Thanos, but he would have also seen millions more where the Earth is destroyed soon after by the Celestial. Fantastic, and Doctor Strange, Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir, the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need, because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life, Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos, Iron Man: Disney Releases Never-Before-Seen Post-Credits Clip Online, Mario MOVIE Director Confirms Princess Peach's Role Reversal. Strange also doesn't like stark, possible he chose the first one stark dies lol. Related: Doctor Strange's Role In Avengers: Endgame. Many have assumed the Sorcerer Supreme is playing a long game, one that extends beyond his death at the snapof the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet after viewing over 14 million possible futures (14,000,605, to be precise) before his fight, though it is unclear how this will ultimately unfold in Avengers: Endgame. Even during a recently released Eternals deleted scene, Sprite and Makkari have a conversation about the worth of the human population. Given Ant-Man's survival and confirmed role in Endgame, perhaps Strange is making an oblique chess reference to the size-swapping superhero taking on a more prominent role in the events of the film. Or in the round 3 when Strange is allowed foresight vision on what is going to happen? In this flashback moment, the MCU's Illuminati defeated the iconic Marvel villainon his homeworldTitan,as the shot showed the villainwith his double-bladed sword piercing his chest. Thanos snaps 2x. If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Although Avengers: Infinity War debuted in theaters nearly four years ago, MCU fanatics can't help but debate over one pivotal scene involving everyone's favorite Sorcerer, Doctor Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). Round 3: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep AND foresight) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. -Where is Captain Marvel? Would have made for a Screen Rant's Managing Editor, Alex Leadbeater has been covering film online since 2012 and been a permanent fixture of SR since 2016. One could interpret the other stones as independent of time. While Strange's actions may have briefly allowed the eradication of half of all life, he at least survived the battle with his soul intact and most of the universe restored. Thanos on the other hand is the opposite. Maw stopped Strange from casting a spell with the time stone, the stones thanos has can be used to do the same thing. Sam Raimi's Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness reveals the way another reality defeated Thanos, and the massive cost it incurred. Strange was after destroying the stones. For requests, comments, or to hear his pitch for a third Avatar series that incorporates robots, you can reach him atbs.zachary@gmail.com. Wait, why the heck would Doctor Strange willingly give Thanos the stone? The gauntlet works there. Dormammu isn't just new to the concept of time, he doesn't understand the sorcery Strange is employing (who didn't know it was an Infinity Stone). Let's be real here: Dr. Strange affected freaking Dormammu with his atomic manipulation , if Dormammu had hard time against it, then Thanos has no WebDr. If even one person is standing a few feet away from where they need to be they could be killed, injured, or too slow to help out another. The biggest hole in this theory is that the Time Stone itself could be powerful enough on its own to reverse the damage to the Gauntlet or Etri's hands, as seen by Thanos using the Stone to restore Vision after his temporary destruction at the hands of Scarlet Witch. ADVERTISEMENT It also could be that Strange was only able to access successful futures feasible in his universe. Strength and power are not the same thing. In terms of strength physical strength no, Dr. Strange is not stronger than Thanos. Thanos is literall to Dream Walk, giving him the chance to venture across the multiverse and puppet his variants. 13 Captain America Cap was able to hold back a nearly unstoppable Thanos with just his bare hands, an impressive physical feat. I think that is a big reason why the avengers lost in Infinity war. Strange can't just fight Thanos the same way and be successful. In the comics, Drax is not only much stronger than his on-screen counterpart, he was essentially created to defeat Thanos. . . . . . . . . . . Just All of that leads to one big question, however - what happened in all of those alternate futures that Doctor Strange saw in Avengers: Infinity War? And yes, I understand that Thanos had other stones that would allow him to be less susceptible to the time stone's power, but the stones, as far as I know, don't act independently. And found that his passion lays in scriptwriting, where he can combine his love of movies, writing, and storytelling. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! So, if Doctor Strange had simply used the time stone to stop or slow time, there's no way Thanos would have time to react to that stimulus, formulate a response, and have his nervous system send the signal down to act on that response all in way less than the blink of an eye. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone (no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. Strange himself used the time stone to trap Dormammu and his dimension in a time loop. Kind of a plot armor argument I think but to take it sincerely: -We have Thanos w/ Power - Space - Soul Stone, -With the black Order in full power (Minus Gamora and Nebula), -With Chitauri Army (Or whatever assaulted Wakanda in Infinity War), -The Avengers with the Mind Stone (attached to Vision) and Time Stone, -No Hulk (Because he wasn't coming out at the time of infinity war), -Maybe the guardians of the galaxy? Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. The portal is just used to travel in universe, Strange can't even use it to get back to Earth from Titan. "Thanos obtaining all the stones is, therefore, the only way Strange can truly win at this point. Strange using the time stone meaning he likely would have failed if he tried. International political treaties are the reason why nuclear weapons are basically just expensive line items on a budget, not an actual tool of war now. Theres a reason why Strange didnt use that stone. With taking courses involving film, Ben has extensive knowledge of movies both new and old, and keeps up to date on all the latest goings-on in the film industry. Stones destroyed. And of course, Doctor Strange is not entirely helpless even without the time stone, and capable of putting up a decent fight with his verstility to protect the stone, so it might not be so easy for Thanos to "just take it" and end the loop himself even if he could perform the undo spell. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Why those possibilities didn't come up is a mystery, although it could be chalked up to Earth-616 not being in danger of an Incursion or any other kind of interactions with other universes before Spider-Man: No Way Home. With T'Challa and Shuri among those lost to Thanos' snap, there may be no other surviving individuals from Earth capable of deciphering and repurposing the advanced technology, making the trade-off for Stark's life even more necessary. Copyright 2023 Distractify. The power and space stones can kill or bfr Strange but can't undo time loop (evidented by the Domarmu battle), the soul stone is featless (as far as I can remember). Awesome, do me a favor and check another 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 just to be sure. Kaecilius summoned Dormamu through some kind of ritual, and that took some serious preparation. As a beingof our dimension, Thanos may not be quite as susceptible to a similar trick, especially given how driven he's presented as being. And he also didn't have his sling ring or else they could've regrouped on earth after they landed on titan. Thanos can basically use the stones to make a bubble of independent reality around his body, meaning he can still act outside of time. Ant-man pops out kicks off the time heist. RELATED:Thanos Action Figure May Reveal His Updated Avengers: Endgame Armor. I also wonder why Doctor Strange didn't just use the time stone to defeat Thanos. However very few of them were willing to sacrifice others for the greater good. Strange can see The Watcher without infinity stones. A victory for Strange is probabaly something akin to: Defeating Thanos, while also having a way to save countless others, while also not opening the door to allow other powerful beings to come in and get the stones. Otherwise any number of other people present when he has the stones uses them or seeks them out or becomes a bigger threat. It's true that Doctor Strange looked into more than 14,000,605 different futures "to see all possibly outcomes of the coming conflict" but evidently there were still some futures he did not see. It will be interesting to see the role it likely plays. What if Thanos takes the stone during one of the loops? The theory is very convincing, as it's true that without the Snap, Earth would've likely been destroyed. Personally, I can't help but ponder that even with four stones on the gauntlet (power, space, reality and soul), Thanos would still have a difficult time (if not downright impossible) beating a time stone Doctor Strange, especially if he has prepped and time loop activitated --. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. The pair bicker throughout the entire movie, but we're just supposed to believe that the Master of Mystical Arts wants to save Tony that desperately? This also came before Baron Mordo was a part of the team, which was also most likely because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, with Doctor Strange involved instead. However, as the 2016 Doctor Strange film suggested, tampering with time comes with its own costs, including the distinct possibility of Thanos being trapped in a time loop if he potentially attempted to repair the Gauntlet. There is always a chance but by himself he would not have much of one with out doing something dramatic like when he fought the Hulk He used the po Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Strange wasn't after stopping Thanos. Since Thanos exists inside the time, his memory will be reset, therefore the time loop won't make him tired and fall like it did to Dormammu. The rat had to free Ant-man randomly. The film arrives on April 26. Despite being vital in how they beat Thanos, Strange still surrendered himself to his allies because of his crime and didn't even resist when Black Bolt executed him. I think that's one of the reason why Doctor Strange did not used the Time stone during the infinity war. Not all powers work the same way on everyone. In Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame, Strange made it clear that there was only one way to defeat Thanos among more than 14 million options that he looked into. Although it's hard to tell how many Infinity Stones he possessedat that point in time, he already has the golden Gauntlet that Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir,most likely meaning that this moment wassimilar to the equivalent timeframe in Avengers: Infinity War. WebWhile on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. It's pointed out that if Doctor Strange knew about the Celestial inside Earth, then surely he would've gotten involved in the Eternals' plan to ensure that it worked. In Infinity War, Thanos' primary goal on Titan is to get the Time Stone from Strange; bringing it out of wherever he'd hidden it to create a loop riskedexposing it to attack. This would ultimately lead to Earth-616's Avengers embarking on atime heist, restoring all life throughout the universe, and reducing Thanos' army with the snap of Iron Man's nano gauntlet inAvengers: Endgame. Allowing him to sense the passage, even within a loop, was key to wearing down his defenses(and rounding out Doctor Strange'sexploration of the fear of death). It's likely the main reason he was able to take Stormbreaker to the chest and still live. WebDoctor Strange did indeed use the Time Stone to beat Thanos. They may have even ended the battle before Thanos even touched ground on Earth-838, meaning that Thanos would have been missing the Time and Mind Stones before completing the set. And while he used all manner of magical spells on the Mad Titan, he seemingly never considered trying the same Dormammu time loop trick again. A largely peaceful reality protected by the Illuminati instead of the Avengers, Doctor Strange is introduced to the group after their own version of Infinity War and Endgame. WebThor could have brought rocket and groot to titan instead of wakanda, dr strange could have chopped thanos in half with a portal when they put him to sleep, or at least cut off his left hand, loki could have used the space stone to get the asgardians to earth and then they could have a 3 to 1 stone advantage on thanks, etc. This hints at the true cost of Doctor Strange subverting his plans from Infinity War and Endgame. If it were any other opponent, Thanos would obliterate them in secondsbut this is Kang, and Kang is master of seconds, days, years and more. While Strangemay not have intervenedbecause he foresaw Thanos eventually using the Gauntlet either way, the fan theory suggests that he actually wanted the Snap to occur. new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. RELATED: Doctor Strange Is Undoubtedly the MCUs Best Babysitter. He also conducts industry interviews, is a Rotten Tomatoes certified film critic, and knows a LOT about the X-Men. They were headed to Titan to fight Thanos, and he wouldn't be there if the stones weren't there. He had no way of breaking out of a time loop. Of course, that's not to saymessing with time won't play a part in that More:Time Travel In The MCU & Avengers: Endgame Explained. He used it to look at all possible futures and saw that the only way to beat Thanos required him to give Thanos His best shot would be with the reality stone, but I felt the reality he projected were more of an illusion than actual reality-wraping (otherwise he could re-shape the whole universe with just that one stone instead of having to collect all six), while illusions would work on almost everyone on avengers, being a master of mystic art, Strange MIGHT be able to see through it, especially if he had prep/forseen it. While Sprite is resentful of them, Makkari points out that humans "defeated Thanos, and saved half the universe," showing that the Avengers' actions had an impact on how the Eternals viewed Earth. A place to discuss Plotholes, Continuity errors or even unexplained events for Movies, Books, Games, or anything else you can think of, Press J to jump to the feed. One Redditor shared, "Having rewatched Avengers: Endgame, I have come to the conclusion that allowing Thanos to obtain all of the infinity stones was the only way for Dr.
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